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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Juicestorm Gambling Blog &#187; Can we agree on trading rule 3?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juicestorm Gambling Blog &#187; Can we agree on trading rule 3?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was in response to my original post below where Rule 2 started a rather lively discussion as you&#8217;ll see above. Rule 1 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Man of Mystery</title>
		<link>http://www.juicestorm.com/betting-and-trading/3-simple-rules-of-winning-traders/comment-page-1/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Man of Mystery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cassini, thanks for for dropping in.

I take your point. But for me I like to see the price of a horse moving towards the price I feel it should be before I&#039;ll enter a trade based on it continuing in that direction. Often I&#039;ll be wrong though. 

If I go against the momentum simply because of my opinion of value then I will not be comfortable. No matter how much I value my opinion. 

I&#039;m sure you know that many losing punters looking for value use flawed logic betting favourites. Because favourites win about 30% of races these punters think that by backing favourites which are at better percentage odds than 30% they will show a profit. So they back favourites at better odds. All that happens is the winning strike rate of these favourites adjusts downwards so backing these favourites still loses money. But they&#039;ve had great value so it makes it worthwhile?

Another aspect of value and its uncertainty is from bookies who are just guessers IMO, they price up from the tissue and copy the guy in the next pitch. Try to get decent money on and you will be wasting your time. Value is a myth. The &quot;professionals&quot; won&#039;t even stand by it. In case they&#039;re wrong.

However, the most successful betting exchange traders are usually very opinionated and yes, many would trade in the way that you describe. Would they be more successful if they didn&#039;t? We&#039;ll never know. They&#039;ll never change.

This article was about trading. Your &quot;... style is to watch the game, form opinions (often flip-flopping many times during a game)&quot; and &quot;...to find value by disagreeing with the market.&quot; Sir, you have a gift. Few share it. And good luck in your search for value. It works for you and so I can&#039;t knock it - for you. But going against any market and basing any trade on your opinion when the market doesn&#039;t share it could be a recipe for disaster.

Many will disagree with me Cassini. And that&#039;s fine. But I welcome the debate. Ladies and gents, have a great day finding value, trading, gambling or whatever combination floats your boat. And good luck to you all as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cassini, thanks for for dropping in.</p>
<p>I take your point. But for me I like to see the price of a horse moving towards the price I feel it should be before I&#8217;ll enter a trade based on it continuing in that direction. Often I&#8217;ll be wrong though. </p>
<p>If I go against the momentum simply because of my opinion of value then I will not be comfortable. No matter how much I value my opinion. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you know that many losing punters looking for value use flawed logic betting favourites. Because favourites win about 30% of races these punters think that by backing favourites which are at better percentage odds than 30% they will show a profit. So they back favourites at better odds. All that happens is the winning strike rate of these favourites adjusts downwards so backing these favourites still loses money. But they&#8217;ve had great value so it makes it worthwhile?</p>
<p>Another aspect of value and its uncertainty is from bookies who are just guessers IMO, they price up from the tissue and copy the guy in the next pitch. Try to get decent money on and you will be wasting your time. Value is a myth. The &#8220;professionals&#8221; won&#8217;t even stand by it. In case they&#8217;re wrong.</p>
<p>However, the most successful betting exchange traders are usually very opinionated and yes, many would trade in the way that you describe. Would they be more successful if they didn&#8217;t? We&#8217;ll never know. They&#8217;ll never change.</p>
<p>This article was about trading. Your &#8220;&#8230; style is to watch the game, form opinions (often flip-flopping many times during a game)&#8221; and &#8220;&#8230;to find value by disagreeing with the market.&#8221; Sir, you have a gift. Few share it. And good luck in your search for value. It works for you and so I can&#8217;t knock it &#8211; for you. But going against any market and basing any trade on your opinion when the market doesn&#8217;t share it could be a recipe for disaster.</p>
<p>Many will disagree with me Cassini. And that&#8217;s fine. But I welcome the debate. Ladies and gents, have a great day finding value, trading, gambling or whatever combination floats your boat. And good luck to you all as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassini</title>
		<link>http://www.juicestorm.com/betting-and-trading/3-simple-rules-of-winning-traders/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure I agree with Rule 2 for all trading types - momentum traders - yes, value traders - no.

http://green-all-over.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-correct-opinion-is-worthless_25.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I agree with Rule 2 for all trading types &#8211; momentum traders &#8211; yes, value traders &#8211; no.</p>
<p><a href="http://green-all-over.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-correct-opinion-is-worthless_25.html" rel="nofollow">http://green-all-over.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-correct-opinion-is-worthless_25.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Man of Mystery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man of Mystery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian, glad you enjoyed it mate and thanks for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian, glad you enjoyed it mate and thanks for the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Coplin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Coplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the read about trading.  Sums up for me why personally I am not a very good manual trader.   On the flip side my bot which does what it is told is much better.

The opinion bit is so important.   There a few phrases that all keep me honest.  One is a price of a selection only indicates the general opinion of people and can bear no reflection on its actual chance.  The second is that a horse has no idea what price it is.

Trading is often is more profitable when you don&#039;t share the same opinions as the majority which fortunately clearly I don&#039;t, since I find horse racing the most profitable and predictable sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the read about trading.  Sums up for me why personally I am not a very good manual trader.   On the flip side my bot which does what it is told is much better.</p>
<p>The opinion bit is so important.   There a few phrases that all keep me honest.  One is a price of a selection only indicates the general opinion of people and can bear no reflection on its actual chance.  The second is that a horse has no idea what price it is.</p>
<p>Trading is often is more profitable when you don&#8217;t share the same opinions as the majority which fortunately clearly I don&#8217;t, since I find horse racing the most profitable and predictable sport.</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Mystery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man of Mystery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Leon, thanks mate and I look am looking forward to you being a guest on Wednesday. Stay lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Leon, thanks mate and I look am looking forward to you being a guest on Wednesday. Stay lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonthefixer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonthefixer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post - it explains trading very well and I think I will get people I know to read it as it will help them understand what I do better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post &#8211; it explains trading very well and I think I will get people I know to read it as it will help them understand what I do better!</p>
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